Wars Don’t Have To Be Deficit Neutral But Healthcare Does?
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April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
I think you have me …
I think you have me confused with another person. I just found this video yesterday. Anywho, I said I was sorry for you because
1)You said, “it isn’t even socialized insurance”.
2)Then you said, “If you don’t understand (this)…I feel sorry for you”.
3)Since you did not understand it IS socialized insurance, you must feel sorry for yourself.
4)I feel sorry for people who feel sorry for themselves.
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Also I’ll admit I …
Also I’ll admit I was wrong before.
They didn’t clarify the section after joe wilson called obama out. In fact it was like that before he did.
House bill HR 3200 sec: 246, subtitle C, Title II has always said specifically: “Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”
Spare me your fake indecisiveness, bringing up something not even in question and using it to discredit something.
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Yes, health …
Yes, health INSURANCE ran by the government. I’m not sure why you feel sorry for me if you are the one just now finally getting it. (You were saying socialized medicine before which is different.)
“If you agree that all illegal aliens and people who test positive for illegal drugs get thrown out on the street immediately, even if in need of assistance, once it has been discovered that the person in question falls under either category, then I will agree to socialized MEDICINE.”
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
I feel sorry for …
I feel sorry for you. The public option is socialized health insurance. What is socialized health insurance? Health insurance ran by the government. Simple definition. Note: I am not saying whether socialized insurance is good or bad. Just defining.
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
sorry this char …
sorry this char limit is annoying.
And even if everybody switched, the jobs disappeared, the companies disappear, and the CEOs who profit from others’ misfortune went bankrupt and had to live a life of mediocrity like us, it is still worth millions of more people having access to healthcare.
Don’t bring up USPS budget problems, they are subsidized. Don’t bring up bureaucrats between drs and patients, ins companies already have those. Don’t bring up death panels. You can have the last word.
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
It doesn’t matter …
It doesn’t matter that it keeps changing since we are debating the merits of an idea, and not the bill itself.
It wouldn’t be the only thing standing 6 years after, and you know this because people are willing to pay more money for better service. The variety of mail carriers are a testament to this, and some provide services USPS doesn’t.
No it can’t just print money.
Even if everyone did switch. (which they won’t) so what? the jobs switch over too, and more people get to live.
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Congress keeps …
Congress keeps changing the way that their bills line up so discussion on such a topic becomes difficult since it changes a lot and the House version is different from the Senate.
A public option of that nature would be the only thing standing in 6 years post activation. A “company” that doesn’t have to turn a profit and can print money if needed will always be far cheaper (not necessarily better though) than a private company. Everyone’s employer would switch to that and kill the rest.
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Your dislike of the …
Your dislike of the mandate is founded in my opinion and I agree with what you have to say about it. But to say that progressives and TYTs are pushing for it is just wrong, I happen to know because I consider myself a progressive of sorts.
If you had been watching their vids on the healthcare issue you would know that their view is reasonable. Cenk has even said a while back that he didn’t want a single payer system, but a public option funded through premiums (not higher taxes).
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
You were talking …
You were talking about how the senate bill is not socialized medicine and you are correct. Social med like TYTs and others want is the goal of progressives.
I never said this current senate bill was a public option.
The current senate bill forces a person to buy a private sector service. That is unconstitutional. Precedent would then be that congress can make you buy a service of their choice. Everyone congressmen invests in a gym and pass a law that everyone needs a gym membership.
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Specific details …
Specific details addressing that to appease the stirrers. The language used previously was exclusionary, which still makes what he alluded to a lie.
The public option you were referring to as socialized medicine would not have been purchased from a private company. You say to name another thing, but why does there need to be one? Then reference the mandate(I disagree with) which has nothing to do with the public option or what you call socialized medicine.I think you are a bit confused.
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
The illegal …
The illegal immigrant clauses were put in after Obama’s “State of the HealthCare Reform” speech. Specific details were put in a few days later.
So, the gov’t is going to make you purchase a service from a private company not thru taxes, but privately. Name one other thing that falls into this category. There is not one. Not even car insurance falls under this. My sister-in-law does not drive, so she needs no car ins. Now you need to buy something to live in the US?
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
First of all when …
First of all when they were making the bill with the public option, in it was a clause that excluded illegals from benefits. We have people disrespecting our president saying “You Lie” about it when ironically he was lying.
Second of all it isn’t socialized medicine, it isn’t even socialized insurance, it is an option that requires paying into the system for benefits.
If you don’t understand these two things I feel sorry for you because the content of the proposal was on the net for reading.
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
@thatswhattheyis
” …
@thatswhattheyis
“then I will agree to socialized medicine” like your opinion matters and if you care about it dont just argue with some guy online go out there and make a difference
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
I also forgot one …
I also forgot one more potential cost that the international community may try to force upon us because of this war:
The costs of dealing with 2 million Iraqi refugees who was forced out of Iraq either due to the war or because of the ethnic cleansings that have taken place right under our noses.
Its one thing to ignore refugees displaced because of other wars that have nothing to do with the U.S. like in Africa. But these Iraqis are displaced because of the U.S.
Your opinion to that?
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
“We WILL be paying …
“We WILL be paying for low life drug addicts, prostitutes, and life-time welfare recipients that repopulate themselves as well as (eventually if the dems get their way) illegal aliens”
1. Some of those drug addicts are Veterans who minds were destroyed because of the hellish things they’ve seen or were forced to commit on behalf of this country.
2. As for prostitutes, if we legalized it then we wouldn’t have to pay for it, right?
3. As for illegals, Bush II did even less to stop it.
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
“Tell me, will we …
“Tell me, will we be paying for injured military for the next 240 years?”
Assuming that this country will actually last that long, we as a society will be paying to try & accomodate Veterans AND the families of Veterans for a lifetime, assuming of course that the Corporate Oligarchy & their Republican backers( I guess you are a part of this) would allow this.
But looking at the record right now for helping the Veterans crippled because of the current war… I am in serious doubt.
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
I’ll make a deal …
I’ll make a deal with you…
If you agree that all illegal aliens and people who test positive for illegal drugs get thrown out on the street immediately, even if in need of assistance, once it has been discovered that the person in question falls under either category, then I will agree to socialized medicine.
Don’t give me the “Drug companies made PCP originally and other drugs.” You know the rules and consequences. All you have to be is clean and legal. Is that too much to ask?
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Tell me, will we be …
Tell me, will we be paying for injured military for the next 240 years? We WILL be paying for low life drug addicts, prostitutes, and life-time welfare recipients that repopulate themselves as well as (eventually if the dems get their way) illegal aliens. (hillary – no woman is illegal!) The costs of the wars will go down, soc. med. is only going to rise or go down in quality.
SGLI @$500K x 4000 = $2billion. Some people would like to spend that much on the Perverted Arts or highway cleaning
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
@thatswhattheyis …
@thatswhattheyis
NO your children probably won’t be paying for social medicine. THEY WILL BE PAYING A LOT MORE FOR PRIVATE MEDICINE – IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT!
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Great logic. Why do …
Great logic. Why do people seem to so easily dismiss defictis from war spending vs. deficits from social spending I will never understand.
People seem to forget that WWI & WW2 was paid off because both FDR & Woodrow chose to force the top 1% wealthy to pay their fair share of taxes. The jerk Ronald Reagan & his protege George Dubya chose to stop that.
The media must have us Americans so totally brainwash that we lack the ability to link the two ideas of government spending together.
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
“u imbecile!”
Up …
“u imbecile!”
Up yours, ya jerk!
My POINT if you could put down that Limbaugh kool-aid for a second is that that there is not a dime’s worth of difference between running up deficits for war & running up deficits to help AMERICANS have access to health care. Do please try to absorb that logic if it’s at all possible.
I never said that all war is wrong but I will say that there some conflicts that do not add anything to the freedom of America, case in point Vietnam & Iraqi Freedom.
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
@thatswhattheyis
…
@thatswhattheyis
It doesn’t matter if the wars end. It is a HUGE cost and you get absolutely NOTHING in return for it. Trillions were spent on this War of Terror and all we get is more hate, hundreds of thousands of dead, and rightists over the constitution.
So here you are whining and crying about things that not only cost less, but are spent on things like improving public health and making a more productive work force, not to mention taking a huge burden off private companies.
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
future costs??? u …
future costs??? u imbecile! Wars end our country is preserved. the miniscule costs of taking care of the injured doesn’t even register on any scale. We would be speaking German if you had it your way…
April 8th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
“To invade 2 …
“To invade 2 countries and 6-8 years later having only 3,000 KIA will be seen as remarkable in the future compared to WWI, WWII and even Vietnam where in those wars that many were lost in 10 minutes as in the Battle of Somme. (I’m not denigrating the fallen, just putting into perspective)”
Yeah but you also have to remember that the ultra-wealthy 1 percent whose wealth is half of U.S. GDP paid at 1 time 90% tax for WWI & WW2 thanks to Woodrow Wilson & FDR. Reagan unfortunately messed it up.